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MK12 SPR---海豹队员几年后的评价

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发表于 2007-4-6 07:50 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
最近想自拼一只长枪管的AR,但又觉得M16A1-A4都太长,所以瞄准了18”枪管的SPR。
在网上读了不少资料。。其中D总的网站引用了海豹队员对此枪的评价,又在C2K找
到了原文。用原文在GOOGLE搜索找到了这位BBS名为FROGMAN的SEALS队员的评价
http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi

posted 12-02-2003 12:22                        

They suck. We hate them. I spent a day trying to get mine to hold a consistant
group and gave up. It's clean sitting in the box back in the armory next
to the rest of my sniper team's SPRs. They hate them, too.
Frogman


可以看到在2003年时评价是非常差的,他们花了一整天时间打靶却得不到稳定的散
布。。。

但是在2006年一月又有人问他是否对SPR有所改观,下面是他的回答


posted 01-07-2006 12:53                        
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Wow, what an excellent question.  It's hard to believe I once said those
things considering how I feel about the Mk 12 now. A lot has happened since
then, too.  
Let's re-hash. When those guns first showed up in 2003 it was part of an
Army initiated program. There had been a lot of back-biting going on between
the different SOF units who tested the proto-types concerning barrel length
and such. When we first got the weapons we didn't have any 77 grain 5.56mm
ammo for training, either It was all being sent overseas. So, we doped them
in with green-tip. Or, at least we tried. No one in my unit could get their
Mk 12 to zero with the green-tip. It would group a little and then be all
over the place. We couldn't be sure what was causing the inconsistancy. We
snipers conferred with other SEAL snipers and found that they were experiencing
similar problems. Some thought it was the Leupold scope, while others thought
the suppressor might be the culprit. We had training to do in preparation
for deployment and ran out of time dickering with the Mk 12's and just had
to move on. Some guys turned theirs in for good, others like me, just cleaned
them and packed them away.  
I ended up taking mine to the warzone and one day when I had some time I
zeroed it with 77 grain 5.56mm and couldn't believe how accurate it was.
So was it a bad lot of green-tip that we had before when we shot them in
the States? I don't know. But the gun was really working now. I still had
some lingering doubts about it's long term reliability, though, from my
previous experience with the gun. At that time I was starting to warm up
to it. I carried both a 10" upper M4 and a broken down Mk 11 (in a backpack)on
a mission later on and was severely injured during a big shootout on that
mission and medevaced back to the States. I thought about that mission and
realized that if I'd had more bonding time to trust in my Mk 12's reliability
before that mission I probably would have just taken that instead of two
guns.
When I was well enough to get back in the saddle again I used my Mk 12 in
almost every scenario during my last work-up where I would have previously
used a Mk 11. Now, it requires more marksmanship skill at the longer distances
to wing a 5.56mm bullet out there where a 7.62mm bullet isn't pushed around
by the wind as much, and you need to hold yourself to a tighter "bowling
pin" as far as bullet placement on the target to assume a "kill" shot. But
it's pretty doable. The end result was that I was so impressed with my Mk
12 that I built my own to train with and used my issue Mk 12 almost exclusively
last year back in the warzone.  
The Mk 12 is light enough to quickly index close targets ( although I wish
the barrel was a little lighter). I was able to shoot it out with badguys
from 25 meters to over 900 meters in a big battle. Many terrorists died
during that battle (several fell to the two Mk 12's fielded by my teammate
and I  ). We on the other hand, were just fine. So, I'd have to say my trust
for the weapon system grows even more. All of my shots were suppressed,
BTW.
I think a lot can be said for how a weapon is introduced to the end user.
This was a rather poor example of how not to drop a gun on a warrior's lap,
without the correct ammo, and then fail to address the deficiencies found
when fielded in a timely manner.  
In short, this gun went from being my least favorite rifle to my most favorite
rifle. How do you like that?  
Frogman


他完全改观了。 简单来说:
-当初的印象是未使用77格林的弹药而造成,当时77格林弹药全送到战场,他们是用
绿头弹药试的SPR。 在03年时他们无法获得稳定的分布,有人认为是LEUPOLD瞄准镜
的问题,有人认为是消音器。因为马上要被派遣,没时间找真正的原因,有些队员
干脆把SPR上交回去,有些则是收藏起来
- 到达海湾时他使用77格林弹药射击,SPR的精度让他吃惊。当初的问题是否因为使
用一批有问题的绿头弹药,他也不知道。 因为之前的事他仍然对SPR的可靠度持保
留态度,但已有所改观
-在一次任务中他受了重伤,当时他带的为一10”上机匣的M4(CQBR。。。)和一只被
拆开放入背包的MK11。 在本土养伤的时候他回想这次任务时得出如果当时他对MK12更
熟悉他可能会只带MK12这一只枪的结论。
-归队之后他开始全时训练和使用MK12。用5.56mm弹阻击比用7.62mm需要更高的技巧,
但是并非不可能。
-因为SPR轻所以可快速转换瞄准近距离目标(但他仍希望枪管能更轻)。在一次战斗
中他和另一队员在25米~925米都用了SPR作战,杀伤多人,自己无伤。战斗中他所有
的射击皆使用了消声器。自此他对SPR的可靠度有了更高的评价
-他完全喜欢上了SPR,甚至自己又拼了一只出来做训练用。MK12 SPR从他最不喜欢
的枪变成了他最喜欢的。。
-在此BBS其它处他提到了SEALS的SPR是使用KAC的FF RAS,他自己的枪装的是
M16A1枪托,有的其他队员改用了CRANE托。
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发表于 2007-4-6 12:19 | 只看该作者
是说只有77格令弹头才能发挥最好的作战效能么?还是说因为使用了劣质点药做测试导致他们不喜欢这个spr?
要是前者就算擦大气粗的海豹也够头疼一阵吧?毕竟spr比较mk11优势不算明显,如果再做不到弹药通用的话,在高强度的战斗中spr不是很鸡肋?

[ 本帖最后由 bearsyy 于 2007-4-7 01:51 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-6 14:01 | 只看该作者
在03年时77格林子弹量还少,主要供应作战部队。。没有提供给当时还在国内的SEALS试
枪用,虽说使用手册指定弹药是77格林。。另一点,当时SEALS想要的是那16”枪管
的RECON RIFLE侦察步枪而不是陆军主导的SPR,所以对SPR也有些抵触情绪
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发表于 2007-4-6 17:00 | 只看该作者
现在77格令的弹肯定已经是特种部队的主力了,因为Mk18就是配用77格令弹的。LZ的消息来得好哇,请允许我引用到敝站中去吧。

[ 本帖最后由 dboy 于 2007-4-6 17:03 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-4-6 17:11 | 只看该作者
原帖由 dboy 于 2007-4-6 17:00 发表
现在77格令的弹肯定已经是特种部队的主力了,因为Mk18就是配用77格令弹的。LZ的消息来得好哇,请允许我引用到敝站中去吧。



那SCAR-L的标准弹也是MK262 MOD0了吧!!


对了,SCAR现在进展如何了,怎么到现在也没有装备或实战测试的消息传出?

特种部队对装备SCAR究竟是个什么态度?

该不会也是和XM8一样,中途夭折吧!


特别是在特种部队刚装备MK18 MOD0,MK12 MOD0也没多长时间,而现在特种部队对MK18和MK12的反响也还都很不错的前提下。

[ 本帖最后由 papop 于 2007-4-6 17:13 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-4-6 21:18 | 只看该作者
原帖由 zchen 于 2007-4-6 07:50 发表
.....I was able to shoot it out with badguys
from 25 meters to over 900 meters in a big battle.....


900米?这个距离是不是太夸张了点?即使是Mk.262,在这个距离上要能击中并且放倒目标应该也是比较吃力的吧?
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-6 21:29 | 只看该作者
原帖由 dboy 于 2007-4-6 01:00 发表
现在77格令的弹肯定已经是特种部队的主力了,因为Mk18就是配用77格令弹的。LZ的消息来得好哇,请允许我引用到敝站中去吧。



没问题,请使用
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发表于 2007-4-9 12:05 | 只看该作者
MK262 MOD0的停止作用如何?
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发表于 2007-4-9 15:02 | 只看该作者
原帖由 gtavc 于 2007-4-9 12:05 发表
MK262 MOD0的停止作用如何?


应该还不错吧!

看下图,

用M16A2/A4的20英寸枪管发射,MK262 MOD0 在300米多仍能有效破碎。




不过MK262 MOD0 穿透力肯定不行,由M855/SS109的复合弹芯改成全铅芯,铜被甲也被削的很薄很薄,这些代价不能算小!

也就是欺负阿富汗/伊拉克的反美武装,连最简单的II-A,II ,III-A级轻型防弹衣都没得穿。

真和象点样子,有点财力的军队打起来,只怕没几个海豹敢继续用MK262 MOD0了,通通得上钨合金弹芯的M995。




Mk262与M855的弹头结构对比

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