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标题: 关于绿色贝雷帽部队现在所戴的贝雷帽 [打印本页]

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 00:12
标题: 关于绿色贝雷帽部队现在所戴的贝雷帽
我看了《军事迷》、《世界特种兵》（吉林音像出版社）这两本书关于绿贝的介绍，还买了威龙的70056兵人绿贝MIKE，他们的贝雷帽都是黑色的，为何？貌似从某一时期就全部变成黑色了？而且即使是戴绿色贝雷帽的绿贝彩图也很少见到，我在SC上见到有售绿贝的贝雷帽也是黑色的，有否高人不惜赐教在下？

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 00:19
70056 mike
http://www.actionfiguren.com/Dragon/Americans/Mike/mike.html

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 00:27
不会啊,我就搞到绿贝了.........
这套是我自己的........

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作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 00:28
例如这张,就是戴绿色贝蕾帽的............

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作者: Joe0080 时间: 2007-9-25 01:44
找不找到是一回事，现在怎么用又是一回事哦。之前陆军多个兵种都统一了黑色贝雷，蓝色帽徽底垫。不过貌似特种部队等几个单位还是保留着特权，在阿富汗和伊拉克的特种战斗群还是用绿贝雷和单位帽徽底垫，但那是２年多前听说的，不知现在情况如何。

另外，痘痘狼兄，貌似SF的常服是不戴蓝色勋带的。

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 14:36
美国陆军基本确定空降兵为红色贝蕾帽,游骑兵为土褐色,SF为绿色,其余都是黑色...........

[ 本帖最后由痘痘狼于 2007-9-25 14:40 编辑 ]

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 14:38
依稀见过有实例照片是戴的,呵呵,不过绝大多数是不戴的.........反正也不管了,这次新搞了套第一骑兵师的常服,金色绶带,很华丽!今年军装夜后我会发照片上来.........

作者: eyehategod 时间: 2007-9-25 14:46
ar670-1滴关于佩戴BERET滴规定，这个素最权威滴鸟：
3–5. Headgear
a. Beret.
(1) General. The beret is the basic headgear for utility uniforms in garrison environments. The beret is not worn in
the field, in training environments, or in environments where the wear of the beret is impractical, as determined by the
commander. Additionally, the beret is not worn on deployments unless authorized by the commander. Personnel being
transferred from one organization to another may continue to wear the beret and flash of the former unit until they
report for duty at the new organization.
(2) Wear. The beret is worn so that the headband (edge binding) is straight across the forehead, 1 inch above the
eyebrows. The flash is positioned over the left eye, and the excess material is draped over to the right ear, extending to
at least the top of the ear, and no lower than the middle of the ear. Personnel will cut off the ends of the adjusting
ribbon and secure the ribbon knot inside the edge binding at the back of the beret. When worn properly, the beret is
formed to the shape of the head; therefore, soldiers may not wear hairstyles that cause distortion of the beret. Paragraph
3–5c, below, addresses wear of headgear insignia. Figures 3–1 and 3–4 show wear of the beret. Soldiers wear berets as
indicated below:
(3) Black beret.
(a) Soldiers who are not assigned to units or positions authorized wear of the tan, green, or maroon berets will wear
the black beret. This includes senior and junior ROTC instructors, unless otherwise indicated below.
(b) Soldiers are issued the black beret upon assignment to their first permanent duty assignment after the completion
of initial entry training or officer/warrant officer basic courses. Cadets and officer/warrant officer candidates will not
wear the black beret. Split-option soldiers or soldiers in the simultaneous membership program will wear the black
beret only when performing duties with their units, and they will wear the patrol cap with the BDU, as described in
paragraph 3–5b below, when in a cadet or trainee status. Soldiers who have not been issued or who do not wear the
black beret will wear the patrol cap with the BDU, as indicated in paragraph 3–5b below. In those cases where beret
sustainment levels are not sufficient for turn-in and reissue of unserviceable berets, the commander can authorize the
temporary wear of the patrol cap until the beret can be replaced.
(c) The Army flash is the only flash authorized for wear on the black beret, unless authorization for another flash
was granted before the implementation of the black beret as the standard Army headgear (for example, Opposing
Forces (OPFOR) elements).
(4) Ranger tan beret. Soldiers currently assigned to the following units are authorized wear of the Ranger tan beret.
Personnel will wear the approved flash of the unit to which they are assigned.
(a) 75th Ranger Regiment.
(b) Ranger Training Brigade.
(c) Ranger-qualified soldiers in the following units or positions, if they previously served in the 75th Ranger
Regiment: U.S. Special Operations Command; U.S. Army Special Operations Command; U.S. Special Operations
Command Joint Task Force; and Theater Special Operations Command. The 75th Ranger Regiment is the sole authority
for validation of service in the Ranger Regiment.
(5) Green beret.
(a) If approved by local commanders, all Special Forces-qualified personnel (those carrying the Special Forces
MOSs of 18A or 180A, CMF 18, and CSMs reclassified from 18Z to OOZ) are authorized to wear the green beret.
This includes senior and junior ROTC instructors and those attending training at an Army service school in a student
status (for example, CGSC, DLI, or USASMA).
(b) Special Forces personnel will wear the approved flash of the unit to which they are assigned. Special Forces
personnel who are assigned to an organization without an approved flash will wear the generic SF flash (the flash
approved for personnel assigned to SF positions, but not assigned to SF units).
(6) Maroon beret. All personnel assigned to airborne units whose primary missions are airborne operations wear the
maroon beret. The airborne designation for a unit is found in the unit modification table of organization and equipment
(MTOE). Other soldiers authorized to wear the maroon beret are indicated below. Personnel will wear the approved
flash of the unit to which they are assigned.
(a) Active Army advisors to reserve airborne units on jump status.
(b) All personnel assigned to the airborne departments of the U.S. Army Infantry School and the U.S. Army
Quartermaster School.
(c) All personnel assigned to long-range surveillance detachments designated as airborne.
(d) All personnel assigned to the airborne/airlift action office.
(e) Recruiters of the Special Operations Recruiting Company (SORC), U.S. Army Recruiting Command. Personnel
will wear the USASOC flash.
(f) All personnel assigned to the airborne procurement team.
(g) All personnel assigned to 55th Signal Company Airborne Combat Camera Documentation Team.
(h) All personnel assigned to 982d Combat Signal Company airborne platoons.
(i) All personnel assigned to rigger detachments.

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作者: Joe0080 时间: 2007-9-25 17:16
我的也是，７５游骑兵，黄帽帅～

戴绿帽总觉得不好听。。。。。

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 21:02
谢谢各位!

作者: terry_001 时间: 2007-9-25 21:19

原帖由 痘痘狼 于 2007-9-25 00:28 发表
例如这张,就是戴绿色贝蕾帽的............

这个这个都是兰博啊~

作者: jacker 时间: 2007-9-25 22:05
黑帽子最早是75ranger的，bush一纸文件变成Army的

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 22:29

原帖由 jacker 于 2007-9-25 22:05 发表
黑帽子最早是75ranger的，bush一纸文件变成Army的

这个我知道,我题目的意思是除了颜色,帽徽都是绿贝的.我没有扫描仪,因此上不了图.不过看了狼兄的图后想书上显示为黑色可能是光线问题,从狼兄的收藏图看上去真是有点像黑色.

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 22:43
刚刚又再看《特种兵迷》，那里面的有几张绿贝的彩图真的是黑色帽的（几张不同人不同时间不同地点的彩图，应该不是光线问题吧），其它如帽徽，制服都正确表明他是绿贝而不是其它国家的受训士兵，希望有这本书的兄弟可以上图来指教一下小弟。没有图实在没有人相信呀。
从网上搜到的

[ 本帖最后由 cenzhanchong 于 2007-9-25 22:52 编辑 ]

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 22:55

不过就是找不到书上的图（那是背景为美国旗的大头近照和训练照）。

[ 本帖最后由 cenzhanchong 于 2007-9-25 22:58 编辑 ]

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 23:01
顺便再问个其它问题：有否其它军种SOF的代表性军歌下载？那绿贝歌实在太好听了，可惜我找到的只有DOLLY PARTON的版本比较清晰，其它原唱版都音质比较差。

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 23:11
下面穿ACU的是绿色贝蕾呀,我的屏幕显示是绿的..........第一张也是绿色的..........

作者: jacky2003 时间: 2007-9-25 23:22

原帖由 Joe0080 于 2007-9-25 01:44 发表
找不找到是一回事，现在怎么用又是一回事哦。之前陆军多个兵种都统一了黑色贝雷，蓝色帽徽底垫。不过貌似特种部队等几个单位还是保留着特权，在阿富汗和伊拉克的特种战斗群还是用绿贝雷和单位帽徽底垫，但那是２ ...

上图带蓝色绶带的是游骑兵RANGER.

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-25 23:29

原帖由 痘痘狼 于 2007-9-25 23:11 发表
下面穿ACU的是绿色贝蕾呀,我的屏幕显示是绿的..........第一张也是绿色的..........

另外那些实在很像黑色呀，难道真的是光线问题？那么绿贝的材料也太强了，它的材料和颜色的正式名称是什么（中英文）？

[ 本帖最后由 cenzhanchong 于 2007-9-25 23:34 编辑 ]

作者: jacky2003 时间: 2007-9-25 23:31

原帖由 cenzhanchong 于 2007-9-25 00:12 发表
我看了《军事迷》、《世界特种兵》（吉林音像出版社）这两本书关于绿贝的介绍，还买了威龙的70056兵人绿贝MIKE，他们的贝雷帽都是黑色的，为何？貌似从某一时期就全部变成黑色了？而且即使是戴绿色贝雷帽的绿贝 ...

首先,你看到的这两本书本身就不是什么权威的资料,这个系列的东西很多错误的说.
美国陆军特种部队一直都是带绿色蓓蕾帽,在2002年以前,美国陆军的制式军帽里没有蓓蕾帽,只有特种部队、游骑兵和空降部队有带蓓蕾帽，除了游骑兵是黑色的蓓蕾帽，后来更改成棕褐色的以外，其他两个一直都没变过。
你看到绿色蓓蕾帽变黑色的原因，我想主要是拍摄的问题，我本身玩摄影的，墨绿的东西一不小心就可能拍成黑色，实在正常不过的事情。

作者: jacky2003 时间: 2007-9-25 23:32

原帖由 cenzhanchong 于 2007-9-25 23:29 发表

另外那些实在很像黑色呀，难道真的是光线问题？那么绿贝的材料也太强了，它的材料和颜色的正式名称是什么（中英文）？

蓓蕾帽是混毛的呢料，或是纯毛料。

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-25 23:38
我拿到手的基本都是纯毛的..........黑的那顶被我兄弟A去了..........唉,有机会再搞一顶了,不然天气凉快了出去顶个绿帽子总不太好...........

作者: Joe0080 时间: 2007-9-26 08:21

原帖由 jacky2003 于 2007-9-25 23:22 发表

上图带蓝色绶带的是游骑兵RANGER.

我说的是痘痘狼那套。

作者: eyehategod 时间: 2007-9-26 10:56
AR670-1都贴出来鸟，还有虾米好讨论滴？楼主直接把虾米《军事迷》《世界特种兵》塞回主编滴P眼子里好拉～～～

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2007-9-26 19:58

原帖由 eyehategod 于 2007-9-26 10:56 发表
AR670-1都贴出来鸟，还有虾米好讨论滴？楼主直接把虾米《军事迷》《世界特种兵》塞回主编滴P眼子里好拉～～～

那些书我是初中时买的,我当时也知道是盗版,不过以它的价格绝对对得起它的图片质量的,那时根本就找不到英文原版(有也买不起),只能将就啦.虽说文字未必对,但我是可以从图片判断是什么部队滴.非常感谢你把AR670贴出来,不过那上面只是说了什么人可以戴绿贝和闪电,并没有解释为什么我贴的图会有黑贝(至少看上去)出现的呀,所以我才继续问,最后还是有劳jacky2003 兄的解答.在些谢谢各位老兵,专家...,谢谢谢谢.

作者: Joe0080 时间: 2007-9-26 21:45
顺便说一下，我发现同是贝雷帽，不同地产的戴出来的样子不同。我有几顶了，其中３顶是军版，同是绿色，好像仿品更容易戴出相片效果。头形问题？

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-26 23:41
头型问题,我倒觉得军版更能戴出效果，仿品太厚太硬,要么就是太蓬松了.........

作者: 牛真 时间: 2007-9-26 23:50

原帖由 痘痘狼 于 2007-9-26 23:41 发表
头型问题,我倒觉得军版更能戴出效果，仿品太厚太硬,要么就是太蓬松了.........

老大，法军海外兵团那种狂小狂软的蓓蕾帽真的很难寻到呢！

作者: 痘痘狼 时间: 2007-9-27 00:13
楼上的貌似跑题了?怎么扯到法军去了?
PS:军品的搜集的难易与否取决于渠道,渠道畅通,朋友多,自然万事OK,反之则难上加难.........

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