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作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-23 23:45
标题: 一个陆战队员在伊拉克的经验!
呵呵!

对不起,是全英文的,偶英文也不好!

就全指望Dboy,或哪位英文好的兄弟帮忙翻译了!

一个陆战队员在伊拉克的经验!

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Got this from a former Marine first sergeant - thought you might be
>interested in his son's assessment of weapons and enemy tactics in Iraq
>(the boy is home from his first tour, going back in early 2006, and early
>re-enlisted for another 4 years.)
>
>
>
> Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested
>guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son Jordan, who
>was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a little
>thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a second tour
>in early '06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more years. He loves
>the Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.
>
>
>
> Jordan spent 7 months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi. Aka: Fort
>Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about
>weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of
>interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here,
>just a Marine with a bird's eye view's opinions:
>
>
>
> 1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
>talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says
>you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine
>version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has
>jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various optical
>gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself
>is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223)
>round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and
>even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun
>fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.
>
>
>
> 2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): 223 cal. Drum fed light
>machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit.
>Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.
>(that's fun in the middle of a firefight).
>
>
>
>
> 3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
>environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for
>self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad
>guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.
>
>
>
> 4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for
>clearing houses to good effect.
>
>
>
> 5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
>developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!).
>Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down.
>Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being
>dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up
>the structure over there.
>
>
>
> 6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce"
>is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight
>stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon
>in-theater.
>
>
>
> 7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
>Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on
>one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a
>torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work)
>use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model
>.45's are being re-issued en masse.
>
>
>
> The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
>modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight
>Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the
>sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.
>
>
>
> 9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range
>and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out
>vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded
>enemy. Definitely here to stay.
>
>
>
> 10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300
>win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers
>have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine sniper
>on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's
>record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.
>
>
>
> 11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.
>and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop
>an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost unbearable in
>the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now
>goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit about the "old"
>body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The
>IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at
>all in most cases.
>
>
>
> 12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular
>performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very
>little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being
>whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all
>seen the videos.
>
>
>
> 13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights
>are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban
>operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved
>it.
>
>
>
> I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and
>ordnance are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology, it's
>the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!!! The infantry
>fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.
>
>
>
> Bad guy weapons:
>
>
>
> 1) Mostly AK47's The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in
>the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM
>belt fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the
>enemy mostly shoots like shit. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type fire.
>However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper
>rifles. (Iran, again) Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled
>at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are
>apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on
>technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their
>lack of toughness. Let's just say they know better now.
>
>
>
> 2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.
>Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our
>up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank
>range. Still killing a lot of our guys.
>
>
>
> 3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old
>Soviet anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in
>Jordan's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155mm
>artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell
>phone, and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle,
>even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do
>over there. Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges"
>(Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the
>ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists
> (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics.
>That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment
>methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges in Styrofoam
>containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks that litter all
>Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb disposal
>guys are unsung heroes of this war.
>
>
>
> 4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets
>(with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan's NCO's
>lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the wire".
>Jordan's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and
>rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (It
>did). More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy mortar
>teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul ass in a
>matter of seconds.
>
>
>
> Who are the bad guys?:
>
>
>
> Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They
>operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly
>"foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world
>(and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of course, the
>knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then travel down the
>"rat line" which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates River that we've
>been hitting hard for the last few months. Some are virtually untrained
>young Jihadists that often end up as suicide bombers or in "sacrifice
>squads". Most, however, are hard core terrorists from all the usual
>suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc.) These are the guys running
>around murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads off. The Chechens
>(many of whom are Caucasian), are supposedly the most ruthless and the best
>fighters. (they have been fighting the Russians for years). In the Baghdad
>area and south, most of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi
>Shiites. The Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi
>local govt.'s, the police forces and the Army. They have had a massive spy
>and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's.
>Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long ago.
>
>
>
> Bad Guy Tactics:
>
>
>
> When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked
>every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very
>common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally sacrifice
>8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming and firing Ak's
>and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the defenses. They get mowed
>down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and M240 above). Jordan's base
>was hit like this often. When engaged, they have a tendency to flee to the
>same building, probably for what they think will be a glorious last stand.
>Instead, we call in air and that's the end of that more often than not.
>These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's Waiting
>Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science. The
>fast mover's, mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever increasing toll on
>the enemy. When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130
>Spectre gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire,
>especially at night. Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all. Fun
>fact: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is
>why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide
>bomber shit. The new strategy is simple: attrition.
>
>
>
> The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian
>non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian
>casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques are
>locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and ammo and
>flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for
>civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without
>hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the new
>Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members (especially children) is common
>to influence people they are trying to influence but cant reach, such as
>local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.).
>
>
>
> The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know
>that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.
>Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American
>serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a
>shit about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped
>by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every
>fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option.
>
>
>
> The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a
>shit. Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but
>they are getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of suicide
>bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a serious tactical
>mistake. Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the
>Army and the police forces went up, along with their motivation. It also
>led to an exponential increase in good intel because the Iraqi's are sick
>of the insurgent attacks against civilians. The Kurds are solidly
>pro-American and fearless fighters.
>
>
>
> According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not only
>believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are
>stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they
>almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are
>despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1
>and then see shit like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the print media.
>For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food and
>leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, there are not
>enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the
>insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut
>down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just
>cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally
> (with, of course, permanent US bases there).
>
>
>
> That's it, hope you found it interesting, I sure did.
>
>
>
>=============================
>Brent J. Beverly

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-24 22:07

原帖由 papop 于 2006-3-23 23:45 发表

1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down.

...

Thumbs down---看来对M16的评价还是否定态度啊

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-24 22:18
Dboy,KSK等英文好的,有空来翻译一下嘛!

作者: rocky 时间: 2006-3-24 23:49
好像很老的一篇文章了，轻兵器杂志上就有翻译好像

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-25 00:03

原帖由 rocky 于 2006-3-24 23:49 发表
好像很老的一篇文章了，轻兵器杂志上就有翻译好像

哪一期?

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-25 23:00
标题: 翻译一小段吧~

原帖由 papop 于 2006-3-23 23:45 发表
7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
>Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on
>one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a
>torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work)
>use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model
>.45's are being re-issued en masse.

.45自动手枪:不错的武器.仍然是在战场上最优秀的手枪.那些允许有副武器人都渴望在他

们的手边有上一把.毫无疑问,只要躯干中弹,即能把对手放倒.那些特种部队的战士(需要频繁

使用手枪)使用的是HK公司的军用型号,而且据传深受其喜爱.老的政府版型号现在重新被大

量生产.

这里我有个疑问要问一下D大,陆战队也用HK公司的MK-23吗?原文说得很清楚:------"The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model "

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-25 23:01

原帖由 rocky 于 2006-3-24 23:49 发表
好像很老的一篇文章了，轻兵器杂志上就有翻译好像

根本不是同一篇.

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-25 23:12
文章太长了,有时间再翻译吧,先说个大概.

从文中看出,作者是对M16,M249持的都是否定态度.M16的问题是:Chronic jamming problems --频繁的导气管堵塞问题和5.56弹的杀伤力不足---"even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down."甚至敌人的躯干中弹也不能将其击倒.

M249的评价更负面---" Universally considered a piece of shit."------通常被认为就是一堆屎(呵呵)

对M9的评价是毁誉参半,好的是它在沙漠环境中可靠性高,不好的是9MM弹的杀伤力问题.

原文对莫斯博格霰弹枪,M14步枪,M240,.50巴雷特,.45M1911的评价均不错.还介绍了反美武装的武器.

以后把原文全翻下来与大家分享.

作者: 神狙手 时间: 2006-3-25 23:21

原帖由 KSK精英 于 2006-3-25 23:12 发表
文章太长了,有时间再翻译吧,先说个大概.

从文中看出,作者是对M16,M249持的都是否定态度.M16的问题是:Chronic jamming problems --频繁的导气管堵塞问题和5.56弹的杀伤力不足---"even torso hits cant be ...

嗯，等兄弟翻译了。

作者: NightElf 时间: 2006-3-26 00:12
11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs and can reliably be expected to soa-k up small shrapnel and even will stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost unbeara-ble in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for head shots wh-enever possible. All the bullshit about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.
11.新的防弹衣:不错的东西.6磅的重量(相当于2.7Kg左右)是比较轻的了而且可以可靠地吸收(抵御)小的弹片甚至是挡住AK-47的一夹子弹.但是缺点在于:穿起来太热了,在夏天的烈日下几乎无法忍受(平均温度超过120华氏度-差不多50多摄氏度了).当然,敌人现在也开始在可能的情况下暴头.所有关于那些让我们的人在即时爆炸装置面前显得无比脆弱的老防弹衣的就是:它就是砣屎.即时爆炸装置的爆炸力是巨大的,防弹衣在大多数情况下根本就不会让情况得到改变-意思就是原来该死的现在还是会死~~~~~

12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the d-ark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.
12.夜视仪和红外装备(即热成像夜视仪一类):不错的东西.景象(应该是指从NVG里面看到的)非常壮观.我们的人拥有整个夜晚,因为几乎没有敌人会在黄昏的祷告之后(穆斯林传统的宗教仪式)开展活动.越来越多的敌人被我们的猎杀者(某种无人飞机)所杀.我们都看了录像(可能是猎杀者PK抵抗武装的)

13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are Surefire's, and the troops lov-e 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and love-d it.
(呵呵,看得出来SureFire确实不错啊)
13.手电:不错的东西.大部分的枪灯和个人手电都是SureFire的产品,并且它们深受士兵们的喜爱.它对于在夜晚的城市作战行动来说是非常宝贵的.Jordan就将一个价值34美元的SureFire G2手电通过吊带挂在自己的脖子上,他非常地喜爱它~~~~~~

[ 本帖最后由 NightElf 于 2006-3-26 00:55 编辑 ]

作者: vvv 时间: 2006-3-26 17:53
为什么说249也比较垃圾呢？

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-26 18:30

原帖由 vvv 于 2006-3-26 17:53 发表
为什么说249也比较垃圾呢？

和M16一样---“Chronic jamming problems, ” most of which require partial disassembly. ----需要频

繁地分解清洁

作者: tibot 时间: 2006-3-27 09:50
似乎在哪里看到过译文……

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 11:09
谢谢楼上2位!

作者: lzz 时间: 2006-3-27 11:25
.6磅的重量(相当于2.7Kg左右)是比较轻的了而且可以可靠地吸收(抵御)小的弹片甚至是挡住AK-47的一夹子弹.

6磅就可以？16磅差不多，或者只是一块防弹插板的重量

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 11:30
官方的调查结果和此文有不少出入呀!

M249 SAW：这件武器得到全面的肯定，它能够为班组提供必不可少的火力。在城市地形中使用SAW时，短枪管和前握把都非常有用。士兵们要求给两脚架换一个更好的位置，因为当脚架收起时就无法加装前握把，如果为了加装握把而放下脚架，则脚架又会彷碍在城市地形中的运动。另外，用软弹袋代替塑料弹箱是个很好改进，不过100发弹袋的表现比200发弹袋更出色，200发弹袋的设计并不好，弹药有时会缠在一起。

[ 本帖最后由 papop 于 2006-3-27 11:32 编辑 ]

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 11:32
M16A4+光学瞄准镜（ACOG 4x）的SAM步枪：所有接受访问的人都对这种SAM［Squad Advanced Marksman——班组精确射手］武器的表现表示满意，所有人都说在步枪上装上4倍ACOG瞄准镜是完美的组合方案，它赋予了他们在远距离识别目标的能力，又能保持在近战条件（MOUT/房间清除）中快速捕捉目标的能力。还有许多赞扬是关于AN/PVS-14能提供真正的夜战能力，任何情况下射手都能发挥SAM步枪的作用。接受访问的人包括了STA［Surveillance and Target Acquisition——监视和目标捕获］排长和曾经接受过MOS 8541狙击手培训班的士兵，他们对标准的M16A4配光学瞄准镜感到很满意。

在不同的营配发的M16A4各有不同的数量，有一个营接受了6支，足够给三个连每连一支再提供给三个STA排的观瞄手，而其他营是每个班收到1支。一般没有瞄准镜的M16A4只能用于代替M16A2，然而它们（M16A4）送交部队的时间太晚，战争开始前许多部队还没有收到，这些武器都存放在科威特。

M4卡宾枪：许多海军陆战队员都希望能够装备这件比M16［均指M16A2］更短的武器，他们说它更适合于在城市地形的战斗，因为它适用于狭窄的使用空间。而且大部份参战士兵都乘坐车辆平台参加战斗，比较小的武器在上下车时都会更方便。有很多的意见指M16太长，在城市战斗中很麻烦。一些海军陆战队甚至干脆使用从伊拉克人手中缴获的AK-47，另一些人则在进入建筑物内时使用手枪来代替步枪，以便在狭窄的空间中更具有灵活性。

许多士兵建议给机械化部队的车组成员装备M4，包括LAR［轻型装甲侦察车］、AAV［两栖突击车辆］、坦克、运输车和其他参与作战的任何部队。有一部分（不是全部）LAR在实战中有使用单兵武器，而LAR车组的主要武器仍然是M16，M16对车组成员来说太重太长（在钻出炮塔或伸出车门/窗时），在遇敌交火时不能及时地进行还击。
M249 SAW：SAW的外表磨损严重而无法维修，有些甚至已经超出服役寿命，许多陆战队员是用胶带或链子把武器捆牢。侦察部队要求装备SAW的伞兵型，而步兵部队则要求装备可折叠枪托。

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 11:35
5.56mm与7.62的致死能力比较：5.56mm是“非常有效”，而且“只要击中头部或胸部就能放倒敌人”，这是一些陆战队员的描，本来有许多士兵在战前对5.56mm弹药的效能是很怀疑的。许多接受访问的陆战队员也报告有些目标被击中非致命部位后没有倒下或仍然可以继续战斗，还有一些报告指目标被击中致命器官后没有倒下。这些故事不需要详细描述，但从中可以看出这种口径弹药的效能和一些偶然的超人事件。一些海军陆战队员要求配用比较重的5.56mm弹药，例如重77格令的弹头。

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-27 19:45
1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
>talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says
>you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine
>version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has
>jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various optical
>gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself
>is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223)
>round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and
>even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun
>fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

M16步枪：令人失望的武器。到处的象爽身粉一样细的沙子导致连续不断的导气系统故障。

在伊拉克，到处都是沙子。据JORDAN说当你刚洗完澡刚刚两分钟，你就感到身上脏的难受

了。由于更轻更短，M-4卡宾型号更受欢迎，但它也有和M16同样的毛病。由于可以在皮卡

丁尼上安装各种战术瞄准具以及战术灯，M4受到陆战队员的喜爱，但在沙漠环境中并不是

一件优秀的武器。所有的陆战队员都很讨厌5.56毫米弹药（.223),普遍存在着对墙体穿透力

差的问题。甚至躯干中弹也不能确保将敌人放倒。

2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): 223 cal. Drum fed light
>machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit.
>Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.
>(that's fun in the middle of a firefight).

M249班用机枪：.223口径，采用弹箱供弹。令人极度失望，通常认为就是一堆屎。连续不

断的导气系统故障，需要频繁地进行分解清洁。（在战斗过程中这样做确实很可笑）

3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
>environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for
>self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad
>guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

M9“被雷打”手枪：毁誉参半。是一支在沙漠环境中表现出色的好枪。但队员们普遍讨厌9毫

米弹药。使用手枪进行自慰确实是相当普遍的事。9毫米弹药的老毛病：武装分子中弹多次

仍能战斗。

4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for
>clearing houses to good effect.

12号口径莫斯博格军用霰弹枪：表现良好，在房间清除战斗中频繁使用，并取得良好效

果。

5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
>developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!).
>Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down.
>Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being
>dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up
>the structure over there.

M240机枪：弹链供弹机枪，采用7。62毫米北约弹。用来发展以替代老的M-60机枪。不错的

武器。精确，可靠，其7。62毫米子弹可确保击倒敌人。M240原先由车栽武器发展而来，越

来越多地被取下并被步兵投入战场。其7。62毫米弹药具有可靠的杀伤力。

6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce"
>is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight
>stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon
>in-theater.

.50口径M-2重机枪：优秀的武器。"Ma deuce" （M2的绰号）仍然是陆战队员的无价之宝。终

极战斗武器，每次都能将武装分子打得屁滚尿流，在战场上最梦寐以求的装备。

7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
>Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on
>one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a
>torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work)
>use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model
>.45's are being re-issued en masse.

.45口径自动手枪：不错的武器.仍然是在战场上最优秀的手枪.那些允许有副武器人都渴望

在他们的手边有上一把.毫无疑问,只要躯干中弹,即能把对手放倒.那些特种部队的战士(需要

频繁使用手枪)使用的是HK公司的军用型号,而且据传深受其喜爱.老的政府版型号现在重新

被大量装备.

8）The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
>modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight
>Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the
>sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

M14步枪：不错的武器。他们被重新大量装备部队，大部分是特种部队的改进版。其改进包

括轻量的凯夫拉枪托，增加红点瞄准具或ACOG瞄准具。M14在沙漠环境中具有很好的可靠

性，并且7。62毫米弹药深受喜爱。

9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range
>and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out
>vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded
>enemy. Definitely here to stay.

巴雷特.50口径狙击步枪：值得赞扬。拥有出色的射程和精度，打起来的感觉就象货柜列车

一样。经常用来消灭自杀性车辆和设置障碍的敌人。在这里绝对是一件非常适合的装备。

10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300
>win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers
>have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine sniper
>on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's
>record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

M24狙击步枪：值得赞扬。大多数使用.308弹药，一些使用.300温彻斯特弹药.M24是雷鸣顿

700的大量改进版。表现出色。M24被狙击手大量使用，并取得了骄人的效果。据传，一名

陆战队狙击手在他的Anbar省的第三次行动中，以超过100个的可确认狙杀超过了Carlos Hath

cock保持的记录。

11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.
>and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop
>an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost unbearable in
>the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now
>goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit about the "old"
>body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The
>IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at
>all in most cases.

新型的防弹衣：值得赞扬。只有6磅重，相对较轻。可以可靠地抵御小的榴弹弹片，甚至可

以抵挡AK-47的子弹。缺点：穿起来非常热，在夏天炎热的环境里令人难以忍受。同时，敌

人也会尽可能地打你的头部。旧的防蛋衣使得我们的人在简易爆炸装置前非常容易受伤，

抵挡住是一件不可能的事。简易爆炸装置的威力巨大，在大多数场合，穿不穿几乎没有什

么不同。

终于翻译完了霉菌的介绍，希望大家多指正！

:thanks:thanks

作者: 神狙手 时间: 2006-3-27 19:53

原帖由 KSK精英 于 2006-3-27 19:45 发表
1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
>talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says
>you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of ...

好帖，赞一个啊！pfpf！

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 20:32

原帖由 KSK精英 于 2006-3-27 19:45 发表
1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
>talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says
>you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of ...

感谢KSK精英的精彩翻译!

我可以引用吗?

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 20:35
M240"可靠",M249可靠性是"一堆屎"!

怎么FN的机枪可靠性越搞越差?

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-27 20:43

原帖由 papop 于 2006-3-27 20:35 发表
M240"可靠",M249可靠性是"一堆屎"!

怎么FN的机枪可靠性越搞越差?

可以引用的，呵呵

关于这个确实和陆战队司令部的官方报告有点不一样啊：
http://www.gun-world.net/article ... 512320393469216.htm （D大的网站）

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-27 20:56

原帖由 KSK精英 于 2006-3-27 20:43 发表

可以引用的，呵呵

关于这个确实和陆战队司令部的官方报告有点不一样啊：
http://www.gun-world.net/article ... 512320393469216.htm （D大的网站）

谢了!

M249可靠性是"一堆屎"会不会是因为这个原因:"导气孔大小由原来可调整的改为固定不变的".

作者: 桥头堡 时间: 2006-3-27 22:03
"据传，一名陆战队狙击手在他的Anbar省的第三次行动中，以超过100个的可确认狙杀超过了Carlos Hathcock保持的记录。"
可怜的伊拉克人

作者: 某某某 时间: 2006-3-27 23:31
轻兵器2005年一月上！

作者: dboy 时间: 2006-3-28 09:09

原帖由 某某某 于 2006-3-27 23:31 发表
轻兵器2005年一月上！

根本不是同一篇

作者: dboy 时间: 2006-3-28 09:25

原帖由 tibot 于 2006-3-27 09:50 发表
似乎在哪里看到过译文……

我记起了，是在QBQ论坛上，与杂志无关

作者: dboy 时间: 2006-3-28 09:28
我记得这篇东西是某个兵回家休假跟家里人说起一些经验，然后家人就把这些东西敲上网。但只是某一个人的感想，只能代表他自己小范围内的所见所闻，不具有代表性。对于他提到特种部队用HK的.45手枪，可能只是道听途说

作者: pk-king 时间: 2006-3-28 13:02
是在QBQ论坛上的，当时讨论了好久的

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-28 16:46

原帖由 某某某 于 2006-3-27 23:31 发表
轻兵器2005年一月上！

亏你还能说得出哪一期，仔细看过没有？

作者: KSK精英 时间: 2006-3-28 16:53

原帖由 papop 于 2006-3-27 20:32 发表

感谢KSK精英的精彩翻译!

我可以引用吗?

今天上sina军事看到了这个了帖子，是老兄发的吧？哈哈

http://jczs.sina.com.cn/bbs/2006/0328/14234695.html

作者: 神狙手 时间: 2006-3-28 18:49

M16A4真铁看起来好重啊！比之M16A2要重很多。

作者: IBM 时间: 2006-3-28 19:46
真够长的~~

作者: papop 时间: 2006-3-28 21:35

原帖由 KSK精英 于 2006-3-28 16:53 发表

今天上sina军事看到了这个了帖子，是老兄发的吧？哈哈

http://jczs.sina.com.cn/bbs/2006/0328/14234695.html

我只在SC上发过,昨晚发的,没想到这么快就被人转了!!即不打个招呼,也不注明一下!留个链接也好呀!

在这里,再次感谢"KSK精英"兄和NightElf 兄帮我翻译!感谢D教授提供部分图片!

我发在SC上的此文的链接:
http://sonicbbs.eastday.com/topicdisplay.asp?BoardID=4&Page=5&TopicID=1399533

[ 本帖最后由 papop 于 2006-3-28 21:39 编辑 ]

作者: xiao 时间: 2006-3-30 06:01
也许时间不同所以评价不同

作者: dboy 时间: 2006-3-30 07:20

原帖由 xiao 于 2006-3-30 06:01 发表
也许时间不同所以评价不同

非也，是单独案例与抽样统计的区别。

抽样统计固然不能代表所有人，但单独案例也无法代表大多数。

作者: slnari 时间: 2006-3-30 08:50
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作者: targetdown 时间: 2006-3-31 09:40
老文了，有人已经翻译过了，好像这个坛子上就有......我记得m16系列是被批评了一把，249好像是说在沙漠中表现不好，会遇到沙尘的问题。240评价不错，防弹衣评价不错，其他的忘了

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