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标题: 【求教】D总能找到美国西部时期的枪械发展历程资料吗？ [打印本页]

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-5 14:23
标题: 【求教】D总能找到美国西部时期的枪械发展历程资料吗？
我想找从南北战争一直到1900年前牛仔时代结束，这一段时期的枪械发展过程以及应用情况的资料，详细一点最好

没办法，西部片看多了，对这段时期越来越有兴趣，我想知道西部拓荒时期枪械是怎么一步步发展的，另外当时人们使用枪械、各种枪支流行程度的情况
但是我在国内、还有中文网站上找不到这些资料，连个colt 1851左轮的文章都不好找。国外网站大概搜了搜也没搜出什么好的。

请D总给小弟讲讲吧
或者您给推荐几个这方面的网站

谢谢了

作者: 麻州獵鹿人 时间: 2004-11-5 22:24
隨便看看吧：

http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=339
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=1320
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=977
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=976
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=277
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=642

http://artofwar.homeip.net/HOG/

作者: dboy 时间: 2004-11-5 22:58
哇哈哈，有麻大叔在偶总是可以偷懒的。而且偶的历史功课总是不合格，谁叫当时偶还没有出生捏。

作者: rotoruaboy 时间: 2004-11-5 23:02
标题: 诶，都把大波耶当图书馆啊

作者: styuyang 时间: 2004-11-6 03:45

Originally posted by rotoruaboy at 2004-11-5 11:02 PM:

挖卡卡，他就是图书馆
连主页都做的像啊

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-6 21:09
非常非常感谢

就是您的网站我这里访问速度太慢了，半夜以后连还像蜗牛

这几篇文章都是当时军队的装备，没有说美国西部开拓时期的武器应用，也没有西部片里经常出现的温彻斯特步枪的资料
您还有这方面资料吗？给我指点指点，谢谢了

Originally posted by 麻州獵鹿人 at 2004-11-5 10:24 PM:
隨便看看吧：

http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=339
http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=1320
[url]http://artofwar.homeip.net/bboard/viewtopic ...

作者: 麻州獵鹿人 时间: 2004-11-8 06:07
美國早期後膛槍的發展可以幾把槍來推論：

1. HALL
2. SHARPS
3. HENRY REPEATING ARMS
4. SPENCER REPEATING ARMS

其他的像BURNSIDE, MAYNARD等也可以網上搜尋看看。

WINCHESTER還是之後的事，他接收了HENRY以及SPENCER，早期的東西和HENRY的一模一樣。

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 03:34
麻州獵鹿人
是不是现在打猎的也有用WINCHESTER步枪的？您玩过吗？

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 03:47
我刚才在网上搜了一下HENRY REPEATING ARMS
发现HENRY REPEATING ARMS和WINCHESTER简直是一个模子刻出来的！

这种杠杆上弹式的步枪是不是HENRY最早用的？HENRY步枪是什么时间开始生产？WINCHESTER改进了哪里？

我以前看一本书上说WINCHESTER步枪使用的是和colt左轮一样的子弹，方便了弹药购买，因此大受牛仔们的欢迎。实际情况是否如此？
这么说HENRY步枪也应该是用colt左轮的子弹吧。
这种一个子弹顶一个子弹的供弹方式好像不能用尖头的子弹，怕走火？

这样子弹威力受影响，HENRY和WINCHESTER基本都是民用和警用吧？在西部拓荒时期那些警长、牛仔、亡命徒们的装备如何？你有这方面的资料吗？

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 16:22
找到一段资料，不知道是否准确——
Winchester Rifle

The original Winchester rifle was famous for its rugged construction and lever-action breech mechanism that allowed the rifleman to fire an number of shots before having to reload, hence the term "repeating rifle."

The first model,

the Model 1866 "Yellow Boy" (called such because of its brass receiver) and the (caliber = 44 rimfire)

"The Gun That Won The West" = sometimes refers to the 1866, sometimes the 1873

Model 1873, (calibers = .32-20, .38-40, .44-40, .22 short, .22 long) most of which were also available in Colt, Remington and other revolvers.

This allowed the owner to carry two firearms, both using the same ammunition.

The idea of a repeating rifle had been the subject of many inventions since the use of firearms began, but few of these had proven to be practical, mainly because the modern cartridge, which made repeating arms practical, had not yet been developed.

Repeating revolvers had been popular in the mid 19th century. One of these revolving pistols, the Colt was very successful, and a rifle version was produced but it was not widely popular. The more successful Spencer rifles and carbines of the U.S. civil war were a notable step forward, but were not completely satisfactory in various respects.

(the following ignores the Hunt rifle and the Jennings rifle, both predecessors to the Volcanic)

The ancestor of the Winchester rifles was the Volcanic lever action rifle of Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson. It was originally manufactured by the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company, which was later reorganized into the New Haven Arms Company, its largest stockholder being Oliver Winchester.

The Volcanic rifle used a form of "caseless" ammunition and had only limited success. Wesson had also designed an early form of rimfire cartridge which was subsequently perfected by B. Tyler Henry. Henry also supervised the redesign of the rifle to use the new ammunition, retaining only the general form of the breech mechanism and the tubular magazine. This became the Henry rifle of 1860, which was manufactured by the New Haven Arms Company and was used in considerable numbers by certain Union army units in the civil war.

After the war Oliver Winchester continued to exercise control of the company, renaming it the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, and had the basic design of the Henry rifle completely modified and improved to become the first Winchester rifle, the Model 1866, which fired centerfire cartridges and had an improved magazine and, for the first time, a wooden forearm. The company later bought and manufactured several of John Browning's highly superior rifle and shotgun designs and was a major producer of

(this below section might not properly belong. Collectors tend to classify military contract arms separately from "true" winchester arms)

M1917 Enfield military rifles during WWI. Working at the Winchester plant during that war, Browning developed the final design of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), of which it produced some 27,000. Browning and the Winchester engineers also developed the Browning .50 caliber machine gun during the war. The caliber.50 ammunition for it was designed by the Winchester ballistic engineers.

The commercial rights to these new Browning guns were owned by Colt's. In 1931 the Winchester firm was purchased by the Olin Corporation and continued its production of civilian rifles and shotguns. At Winchester the U.S.

M1 carbine was designed by engineers Clifford Warner and Ralph Clarkson (contrary to a widely published myth, not by D.M. Williams) and was then manufactured in large numbers by Winchester and other firms. During WWII Winchester was the sole civilian producer of the M1 rifle and later was the first civilian manufacturer of the M14 rifle.

In the mid 1950's S. K. Janson formed a new Winchester design group to advance the use of modern engineering design methods and manufacturing principles in gun design. The result was a new line of guns which replaced most of the older products. Olin later sold off Winchester's firearms manufacturing business, retaining the ammunition business. Winchester guns are today made by the U.S. Repeating Arms Company.

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 16:47
我英语不好，看了大概意思就是老Henry和老Winchester都是一个叫New Haven Arms Company公司的人，老Winchester是公司当时最大的股东

老Henry组织设计了新型子弹，并设计制造了Henry rifle——1860年。
后来老Winchester进一步控制并改组了公司，把公司改名为Winchester Repeating Arms Company，而且他的公司拥有老Henry的全部设计，在此基础上设计了第一支Winchester步枪——"Yellow Boy" Model 1866

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 17:53
红字部分看不明白，哪位老大给解释一下

In 1866, Nelson King, Winchester Repeating Arms engineer patented improvements to the Henry rifle in the form of a tubular magazine feeding device and loading gate through the side of the frame. It was this year that Oliver Winchester changed the name of his company from The Henry Repeating Rifle Co. to Winchester Repeating Arms Co. This new rifle early on was referred to as the Henry and King rifle or Improved Henry. The carbine was fondly called the Yellowboy. The Cimarron Model of 1866 is offered in a 24" sporting rifle and 19" Yellowboy saddle ring carbine.

作者: doglan 时间: 2004-11-9 18:05
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/lever_action_rifles.htm

这个网站买西部枪械，我看了看Henry rifle1860，除了前面没有护木之外，和Winchester相比最大的区别就是侧面没有子弹装填口。英文术语看不明白
请教麻州獵鹿人，Henry rifle1860是怎么装填的？那个网站上写一次装12发，但是我找不到装弹口

还有我发现http://www.henryrepeating.com/index.cfm这里是Henry rifle网站，现在还在生产新枪，而且网站上说他们生产的Henry Golden Boy被Guns & Ammo杂志评为2001年的年度枪“Rifle of the Year”
卖的真便宜！！

[ Last edited by doglan on 2004-11-9 at 18:09 ]

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