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作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-7-29 12:07
标题: 转载CJDBY：我与92式9MM手枪近距离接触
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作者: mayoasis 时间: 2010-7-29 12:10
金手指....，拿过装好子弹的真铁后，才发现金手指真的是压力很大的一件事，一不小心真的有可能扣下去。

作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-7-29 12:16
上周末俺家里刚刚才发生一起新手操枪违反安全规程导致另一人惨被BB打到破皮淤血肿起的惨剧。

作者: 囧rz 时间: 2010-7-29 12:18
除了想要射擊之外的任何時間，手指都不能放進扳機護圈之內…這是最基本的射擊安全規則！

作者: redleader 时间: 2010-7-29 12:37
看到倒数第二张照片第一个想到的就是……金手指

作者: 啊土 时间: 2010-7-29 15:20
一切都那么美好，却突然被那金手指，震惊得目瞪口呆，LZ啊LZ................

作者: TOPGUN 时间: 2010-7-29 15:40
上周又去打了92，难道是我手臭，我拿到的那把经常10发都能卡两次

作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-7-29 15:48
继续转载：
92式手槍

5.8mm

與5.8步槍彈比較

出处：http://milfans.sa80.com/redirect.php?tid=982&goto=lastpost#lastpost

作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-7-29 15:52
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CF 98 (Not the medical form)

By RobAK @ Canadian Gunnutz

I wanted one of these pistols for a while now to go with my other Chinese guns. With Lever's dropping of $100 off their previous price(Note: was $599) and the lack of other new toys out there (that aren't being derailed by the Canadian firearms bureaucracy) I thought now would be a good time to pick one up.
I also noticed that there have been a couple members posting that they have these, but no one's done a detailed post on them.
So, here it goes...

The CF98 is a double action 9mm pistol with a rotating, locking barrel. My initial impressions are that I like the grip size as my hands are about as big as a small girl's. I can very easily reach the mag release, slide locking lever, and the de-cocker/safety lever. That said, at this point (still unfired outside the factory) the de-cocker/safety lever is very stiff and rough. I don't know if or how much this will smooth out with use, but time will tell.
With everything else comfortably in reach it surprised me that the trigger is quite the reach in double action. It's just within my comfort area in single action, but when in double, it's out there. Someone with man-hands probably wouldn't have an issue.

Here's the "porn":

The CF98 comes with 2 double-stack magazines (originally meant to be 15 rounders, but pinned to 10 rounds due to our asshat regulations), and a cleaning rod/punch tool.

The cleaning rod tool together:

and unscrewed to use the punch:

The glossy (hence the flash glare in the pic below) manual had good pictures, but the person that translated their existing manual into this English version needs to find another job. It was painful to read and try to figure out (I gave up during re-assembly and watched the Pakistani guy on You-Tube for directions):

Also, with all good Norc products comes the famous gun case :

Okay, so here's the pistol stripped:

Some close ups of some of the components (named as they are in the English-ish manual):

The Bolt:

The Firing Mechanism (I wasn't adventurous enough to strip this part further):

The Grip with the Firing Mechanism together:

The Connection Seat:

The top of the Connection Seat (you can see where the rotating barrel's lower lugs ride):

The Connection Seat with the Returning Spring and Returning Spring Guide:

The Barrel:

The Barrel Sleeve:

The left side of the slide has a light marking of "CF98-9" and the serial number. A lot of the components are numbered as well. Even the mags are marked with the gun's serial number, dash, then "1" or "2" depending on the mag (might explain the lack of spares).
ie: ########-1

I'm not familiar with the Steyr, but this one's a double stack. They are loaded similar to an AR with the rounds just pushed down, unlike my other handguns that are pushed down and back to get under the mag lips.
Here's a few mag pics to help out:

It drops the hammer. Here it is engaged:

The trigger isn't too bad. When pulling it in double action you can hear 2 distinct "clicks" in the first third of the trigger pull, but it's smooth.
Truth be told, I didn't have too high of hopes for the gun in the first place, but (so far) it's much better than I was expecting.

So I got it out to the range today where Repete was also able to also put a few mags through it. Hopefully he'll chime in with his thoughts as well.
The trigger is actually quite smooth. The double action take-up is a bit heavy for my liking, but I'm not much of a double action fan to begin with. Probably due to the very lightweight grip portion (the composite feels like it's made from the same composites in my Type 97A) but it has a bit more snap to it when firing than I'm used to.
An funny note is that my wife (extremely limited shooting experience, especially with pistols) shot better with it than with my Sig 226.
One negative that came up though concerns the mag platforms. No feeding issues, but when loading the mags the platforms on both need to be slightly pushed in to get the second round loaded. It's the part of the platform that is bottom right in the top photo:

I have to say that overall, I'm quite impressed with this pistol. I wasn't expecting too much when I ordered it, but (like I was when I saw my Type 97A) I am quite impressed with what the Chinese arsenals are putting out now.

After much delay, here are the results from last weekend's shoot. Reaper, Starlight, and myself were out. The opinions were all positive, as they have been with everyone else who has fired the Cf98. The most common comment is that the quality surprises many who are used to the other Norc guns. Anyways, here are a couple target pics. Targets shot from approx 10m with the American Eagle 147gr TMJ from SFRC. The first was my 3 round group with a 9mm round held up for comparison:

This is the same target with a second shooter's 10 round mag added in:

I seriously believe that if there were more available accessories (holsters, etc) and more shooters gave this gun a chance they would be very popular.
On the issue of purchasing additional mags, I'm still waiting for Lever's reply to the e-mail I sent this past week.

Anyways, if anyone wants any more pics of the gun let me know what.

出处：http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-5395-2-1.html

另外我怎么觉得这支出口型这么像P99呢？

作者: 秋之蝉 时间: 2010-7-29 16:39
前段时间打过一次64、77和92，92的握持感比64舒服得多，但拉套筒的感觉怪怪的，很涩，可能与枪身的塑料偏软有关，释放挂机钮时须用很大的力。

作者: pi1ot 时间: 2010-7-29 16:47

前段时间打过一次64、77和92，92的握持感比64舒服得多，但拉套筒的感觉怪怪的，很涩，可能与枪身的塑料偏软有关，释放挂机钮时须用很大的力。
秋之蝉发表于 2010-7-29 16:39

唔，这样我有点理解为什么要再拉一下，而不是按挂机钮了

作者: USP45 时间: 2010-7-29 18:27
92式看上去很萌唉~
小巧玲珑的
握把也不大，适合手小的人用

作者: nedbruce 时间: 2010-7-29 22:05

继续转载：

CF 98 (Not the medical form)

By RobAK @ Canadian Gunnutz

I wanted one of these pistols for a while now to go with my other Chinese guns. With Lever's dropping of $100 off their pr ...
pi1ot 发表于 2010-7-29 15:52

外贸版看着像CZ100,话说原版的92有点像鲁格的P85.....不过外贸版看着帅多了,期待它啥时候推出可换后握把的款式

作者: redleader 时间: 2010-7-29 22:15

前段时间打过一次64、77和92，92的握持感比64舒服得多，但拉套筒的感觉怪怪的，很涩，可能与枪身的塑料偏软有关，释放挂机钮时须用很大的力。
秋之蝉发表于 2010-7-29 16:39

教练让我们先扳起击锤，再去拉套筒，会好一些

作者: cenzhanchong 时间: 2010-7-30 01:03
cf07是不是92式的COMPAT款啊？其实外形真的不错了。

作者: lzz 时间: 2010-7-30 10:49

前段时间打过一次64、77和92，92的握持感比64舒服得多，但拉套筒的感觉怪怪的，很涩，可能与枪身的塑料偏软有关，释放挂机钮时须用很大的力。
秋之蝉发表于 2010-7-29 16:39

同感，几年前打过92和54，挂机钮都比较涩，要用比较大的力，靶场管理人员和部队的人，大概都是拉套筒解脱，而不是按挂机钮

作者: leopard005 时间: 2010-7-30 10:53

这个。。。。是翻译官么。。。

作者: zctu 时间: 2010-7-30 15:47
出口的漂亮。。5.8的现代气息太少线条不是很美虽然也是复合材料的下神

作者: 囧rz 时间: 2010-7-30 16:54

http://qtqf2w.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pXRicuCNH4PFKpfr787RYrlbaesxdgj9-JS_9PBWzfqQzIBMmr51oXZ__l79yahIfDoATxnk8RoKcRiSGqlo-dPjrGi1PvMud/http_imgloadCA4KBM0N.jpg

这个。。。。是翻译官么。。。
leopard005 发表于 2010-7-30 10:53

還真像呢，就差頂帽子…{:3_128:}

作者: bodielei 时间: 2010-7-31 18:33
金手指是金手指了，但保险在起作用的位置，所以保险ON了，手指就可以不保险了。

作者: BBSBOY 时间: 2010-8-1 01:43

金手指是金手指了，但保险在起作用的位置，所以保险ON了，手指就可以不保险了。
bodielei 发表于 2010-7-31 18:33

照这么说，有一天拿了一把没关保险的枪，碰巧前面有个人，碰巧打了个喷嚏，那人就完蛋了
坏习惯不可取，要避免！安全重于泰山！

作者: B-三硝基甲苯 时间: 2010-8-1 07:34
唉，在靶场训练的时候经常有武警来玩92，95和88什么的，每次都想问他们借92玩玩，但每次没等借人家就把9mm子弹全烧光了…………

另：最后无奈只好捡了一对打过的弹头和弹壳回来……

作者: zoejackyandwang 时间: 2010-8-1 08:21
我有一只，坦白说，后座感和全金属的比起来较重。枪口几乎每次都溅出火星（非火焰），双动模式又长又硬。外管都是车痕。分解装回的时候复进簧导轨块经常和扳机卡住,很难一次装好。

作者: 囧rz 时间: 2010-8-1 16:25

金手指是金手指了，但保险在起作用的位置，所以保险ON了，手指就可以不保险了。
bodielei 发表于 2010-7-31 18:33

誰能保證每把槍的保險裝置永遠不會失效呢？？

作者: 囧rz 时间: 2010-8-1 16:27

唉，在靶场训练的时候经常有武警来玩92，95和88什么的，每次都想问他们借92玩玩，但每次没等借人家就把9mm子弹全烧光了…………

另：最后无奈只好捡了一对打过的弹头和弹壳回来……
B-三硝基甲苯发表于 2010-8-1 07:34

打過的彈頭還能用會不會太勉強了？

作者: jason-lee 时间: 2010-8-1 17:34
什么样的人用什么样的枪，没啥不好的。
当年还在山上的时候连鸟铳都用，下山了搞了汉阳造，翻了身就有56半，开放了就有81杠，如今有92、95之类的用就很不错的，还计较个啥？

作者: 肖斌 时间: 2010-8-4 09:44

上周又去打了92，难道是我手臭，我拿到的那把经常10发都能卡两次
TOPGUN 发表于 2010-7-29 15:40

呵呵这样的故障率打仗死两回了

作者: 2008 时间: 2010-8-5 08:25

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这个。。。。是翻译官么。。。
leopard005 发表于 2010-7-30 10:53

很汗啊
类西装上衣的外面绝对不能挎牛皮枪套

作者: 神风 时间: 2010-8-5 22:07
打过9MM，感觉很舒服。25米速射打小气球5发全中

作者: color123451 时间: 2010-8-5 22:23
我想说。。。。套套真那看想吐。。。。

作者: sxo 时间: 2010-8-8 18:43

出口的漂亮。。5.8的现代气息太少线条不是很美虽然也是复合材料的下神
zctu 发表于 2010-7-30 15:47

我说，两款外观上如果不算刻字，只是扳机护圈不一样吧。就这么一点，能相差这么多感觉？

作者: Uther中士 时间: 2010-8-11 16:42
本帖最后由 Uther中士于 2010-8-11 16:46 编辑

92式看上去很萌唉~
小巧玲珑的
握把也不大，适合手小的人用
USP45 发表于 2010-7-29 18:27

那个是小号的而且是出口版握把木星星..

其实我觉得给我们的JC配那个不错啊
把64换掉

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